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Hi Lisa. I can feel the hackles and they are justified. I’m sorry your group has been treated so in this profession. Many are beginning to understand your movement has been grossly underestimated, which I imagine feels both vindicating and also really frustrating as things play out.

I have a teeth grit question. Have you, in all your spare time, ever considered starting a new professional acupuncture association (I know…eye roll provoking…because we need another one of those, right)? I ask because of your platform, which I believe is growing. You mentioned the need for actual data - I agree. I think data has been a major problem for lots of our issues - the acupocalypse, but also the drive for Medicare inclusion, the push for doctoral degree programs, scope expansions, cross-state license reciprocity, the basic naming of ourselves, etc. Full Consensus is a dream, probably, but even the concept of a “majority” seems out of reach to the acupuncture psyche because of lack of actual data. Not only does our profession obviously not have it, but it likes to tantrum when everyone isn’t on the same page and small groups begin working in different/opposing directions, thus furthering the divisions and disenfranchisement….as if not having consensus is a surprise. So we remain fringe as acupuncturists…with groups like yours the being the fringe of the fringe and therefore an easy target for the frustrations and blame by those with more ego invested. We need an organization that actually captures the thoughts of an actual “LOT” of the profession…not just the 10% of “participaters” who can both afford and stomach state association or NCBAHM diplomat membership for things like surveys.

I’m curious how many supporters you have participating, even if just out of curiosity, with POCA, as compared to the ASA’s maybe 5000 across all the state associations (that number from 2021 stats that Google reports). I feel like even AOF has better reach than the ASA. What is your reach in “members” or “supporters” compared to ASA? And…could it be the beginning chunk of an organization that is open enrollment, not state-membership gate-kept, is affordable (I’m thinking like the Chinese organizations who make their $ with classes and donations but only charge $25-50 annual membership), and whose mission is simply to seek an accurate pulse on where the profession actually is on issues as opposed to driving the profession’s issues (under the guise of “protect and promote) toward any particular agenda of a handful of motivated people. An association that does not contribute to the politicking or profit off practitioners, and is therefore not conflicted, but can objectively speak for the industry, would be invaluable. Special interest groups could then form for specific issues, and have the information needed to determine if their special interest is worth the interest and others could determine if those interests had reasonable expectations to succeed, which might encourage more investment and “skin” in the games needed in the political arena.

The barriers I often hear, (and have had myself), to “participating” are 1) membership is both energetically and financially expensive, even if it is considerably less than PT and MD organizations…they are less “poor” in general, 2) (arguably the biggest barrier) lack of alignment to specific agendas, and 3) burnout from historical attempts to participate and things not going the desired way.

I ask you, because you have created solutions to problems and have a platform to maybe start from. Maybe a research project for students😏. Just thoughts this post provoked.

Matt Jernstedt's avatar

Debt isn't just the central problem of the acupocalypse, It is the central problem of the apocalypse. We are not just mortgaging acupuncture student's futures, we are mortgaging all young people's futures. It seems acupuncture students just happen to be one of the first in line because of the highest DTI ratios. If we are interested in Liberation then this needs to be addressed and big ideas do have their place for honest reflection, however soapbox they may sound. You have figured out how to take action on a great idea and have truly created a remarkable clinic system & school. People are going to look to you (sorry).

I've noticed many do not want to look at debt probably because much of our livelihood, including retirement, specifically requires us NOT to look. So it's confusing - please bear with us. Or maybe we assume the next tech billionaire will somehow solve it. It's estimated only 10% of people understand how money is created which comes from typing it into existence without the bank having any real skin in the game - talk about magical thinking. We are then expected to not only pay back that fabricated amount (principal) but also pay back interest which usually amounts to double! Ummm....excuse me? This necessitates "growth". All civilizations who have used this magic end up in the same situation - how to maintain exponential growth in a finite world right? All civilizations who have been around the block have massive restrictions and outright forbiddance against this. Collapse isn't just a bug/cockroach problem, it's by design. We are starting to round the block.

I know this is way out of your hands/paygrade Lisa but my question to all - how does the acupocalypse (and all other current issues btw) stem back to this central issue, is this the central issue, and if so then how might we use this experience to help others navigate times ahead?

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